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Jul 6, 2020

When things mess up, how do we pick ourselves up? Author Michele Roberts and psychotherapist Julia Samuel talk to Viv Groskop about facing failure, coping with crisis and coming back from disaster. They talk work, love, big ideas, small solutions, negative capability - and kickboxing.

Michele's book Negative Capability: A Diary of Surviving is out now.

Julia's book This Too Shall Pass: Stories of Change, Crisis and Hopeful Beginnings is too.

And so are Viv's books, including Au Revoir Tristesse: Lessons in Happiness from French Literature and Lift As You Climb: Women and the Art of Ambition 

Music is by Liam Grundy

Design is by Sean Brightman.