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Jul 6, 2020

Where can we find mental and physical strength right now? Psychologist Dr Pippa Grange and New York Times columnist Marisa Meltzer talk to Viv Groskop about how to face the pressures on our minds and bodies. They talk fear, purpose, lockdown weight, being a bad feminist, the pitfalls of perfectionism - and pasta.

Pippa's book Fear Less: How to Win at Life Without Losing Yourself is out now.

Marisa's book This is Big: How the Founder of Weight Watchers changed the World (and Me) is also out now.

Viv's books, including Au Revoir Tristesse: Lessons in Happiness from French Literature and Lift As You Climb: Women and the Art of Ambition are also out now.

Music is by Liam Grundy

Design is by Sean Brightman.